RC Radio Natural Born Citizen Debate Challenge

I would like to start off 2012 with a bang!

Who is a natural born citizen? Before late 2008 there was not much discussion of this question except in some obscure legal articles and talk about a few candidates not born on US soil like Mitt Romney's father (born in Mexico) and John McCain (born in the Canal Zone). Recently, many of those known as the "Birthers" started telling us that almost everything we learned about this term for 200 years is wrong. In 2008 during the run up to the election all the conversation was about "the birth certificate" but now the debate has moved to the claim that to be a natural born citizen requires both parents to be citizens at the time of birth. Even some politicians in New Hampshire and in Georgia have embraced the idea. What gives? I say let's get this settled.

I challenge proponents of both sides of the discussion on the definition of the term  "natural born citizen" in the United States Constitution under the requirements for president and vice president to a debate on Reality Check Radio on Wednesday, January 25, 2012.  I have arranged for up to three supporters of the traditional definition that a US citizen at birth is a natural born citizen to represent the "Obot" side of the debate. I challenge the "Birther" side to provide up to three proponents to take on the challenge.

The debate will be 90 minutes long and both sides will have equal time. Timing will be strictly enforced. Each side will be given equal time for opening and closing arguments. Each side will be able to ask the other side 4 questions of their choice and have time for rebuttal to the answers. The moderator (me) will ask 1 or 2 questions if issues appear to need further discussion. The remainder of the show will allow the listeners to call and ask questions.

I extend this challenge to Leo Donofrio, Mario Apuzzo, Charles Kerchner, Orly Taitz, Dean Haskins, Jerome Corsi, or any other proponent of the "two citizen parent" definition of natural born citizen. This is your chance to prove you are right. The first three who accept will be selected as participants  unless they wish to give up a spot to someone prior to the debate.

I will enforce a fair debate. If you are interested please contact me at realitycheck1776 at gmail period com or through the "Contact Me" link on rcradioshow.blogspot.com

Please feel free to link or copy this article to your blog or forum to get the word out. A refusal by either side to defend their position will be noted.

New Hampshire to Taitz: Take your nutiness back to La-La Land

Last week Orly Taitz finally got to put her stack of "zibits" and "dossies" before an honest to goodness official venue. On November 18 Taitz appeared for nearly a full hour before the New Hampshire Ballot Access Commission. The Commission held a hearing on four challenges to candidates for the January first in the nation presidential primary election. Taitz had filed her challenge against President Barack Obama based on her so called "evidence" of a forged Hawaiian birth certificate, social security fraud, and a wrong headed interpretation of the Constitutional definition of "natural born citizen". Taitz gave a 30 minute disjointed presentation and cross examined the single witness called by the commission, Assistant Secretary of State Ms. Karen Ladd. Taitz's challenge was scheduled to be heard last but as is the norm for Taitz she asked and received special treatment from the commission to accommodate her "busy schedule" and move her top the top of the list of challenges to be heard.

The bipartisan commission apparently was not swayed by Taitz and the testimony of several other supporters including one former and several current Republican state representatives. After a very short discussion they voted 5 - 0 to reject the challenge.

RC Radio again provided same day coverage of the hearing with a great account provided by The Fogbow Forum member, Whatever4. It may be downloaded here: RC Radio: The Nut's in New Hampshire Special Edition. A special thanks to W4 and to Sterngard who asked most of the questions during the interview.

A complete video of the hearing was posted by a Taitz supporter, Tim Carter:

One very telling moment came at the end of Taitz presentation when the Commission Chairman Bradford Cook (R) asked Taitz if she had any real evidence other that innuendo and opinion and Taitz said "No". What I found disturbing was the reaction to the defeat by supporters of Orly Tatiz. They accosted the counsel for the Secretary of State following the ruling. They accused the members of the Commission of committing treason. Some of these accusers include several current state representatives. Here is another video that documents the reactions of Susan Delemus and Harry Accornero both Republican members of the legislature.

A written transcript of Whatever4's recollection of the hearing is also available at Jack Ryan's SCRIBD page:

NEW HAMPSHIRE BALLOT CHALLENGE HEARING REPORT - 11-18-11 - As Reported by Whatever4 of The Fogbow

Random Thoughts on Birtherism

Yes, I have been a slacker lately. I admit it. But, hey, we did two shows the week before last when we covered Orly's Great Hawaiian Adventure with Paul Irey and Douglas Vogt in tow. Speaking of Paul Irey, someone must have pointed him to my critique of his flawed analysis. He popped in with a couple of comments as "Anonymous". Mr. Irey again demonstrated his lack of credentials as a document examiner. He also can't understand why the Department of Health in Honolulu would not allow the crackpot Orly Taitz and her two biased amateur buffoons "experts" in with their microscopes and scanners to examine a document that they are prevented by law from viewing.

In case you have not seen it yet there is a new Facebook Group called Orly's World that has generated quite a bit of activity. A few Birthers have joined to regurgitate the same lies about the authenticity of the LFBC and COLB and to try to rewrite the definition of "natural born citizen" based on sheer fantasy.

Our previous guest on RC Radio, Tim Adams, submitted his masters thesis titled Discourse and Conflict: The President Barak H. Obama Birth Certificate Controversy and the New Media. [emphasis added] In fairness to Adams the misspelling of the President's name is on the cover sheet that may have been prepared by someone else at Western Kentucky University. This is a small sample of Adams' writing style that he calls "New Journalism" from "Chapter II - The Beginning":

Down in the Bluegrass

Unbeknownst to my detractors—being as I was coming to Western Kentucky
University from my alma mater, the University of Hawaii—I had already been vetted
many times. I’ve held several positions in both military and civil service, each of which
required both a background check and a top secret or higher security clearance. I had just
recently been invited to the Honolulu Police Academy as part of their community
enforcement program but had allowed myself to be dissuaded by my then-current love
interest’ fears of such a job. A short time later, the girl was gone and so was my
opportunity, as is so often the case when dealing with women.

Yes, that is what apparently is acceptable for a masters thesis in English these days at Western Kentucky. ConWebBlog provided a review of both Adam's thesis and Jack Cashill's fluff piece on it in World Net Daily: Tim Adams'Crappy Masters Thesis

What self-respecting professor would not have rejected Adams' thesis outright for this massive typo alone?

Adams makes other embarrassing errors as well. For instance, he writes, "The other reason anyone daring to call the current administration into question is because to quote the Rolling Stones, 'Meet the new boss/same as the old boss' ('Teenage Wasteland')" -- managing to get both the name of the song the lyric comes from and the band that performed it completely wrong. (It's "Baba O'Riley" by The Who.) He also misspells WND editor Joseph Farah's name and commits the editing error of introducing him as "Mr. Farar" but not mentioning his first name until 12 pages later.

As for the thesis itself, once you get past the subpar stabs at Hunter  Thompson-esque prose -- indeed, he portrays his entire birther adventure as an attempt at "gonzo" journalism -- it's clear that Adams does not want to tell the full story of "the conflicts surrounding speech and public discourse, and the barriers to and consequences for unpopular speech."

Adams portrays "Mr. Farar’s people at World Net Daily," along with the people at the tabloid the Globe, as outlets that treated himwell, as opposed to other outlets that "were something less than stellar when it came to the veracity and honesty of their reporting on me." But as we've detailed, WND did not engage in honesty and veracity in its reporting about Adams, actively hiding the fact that Adams first made his birther claims to a pro-white radio host broadcasting from a conference by an organization descended from Southern anti-integration activists.

Dean Haskins is still pimping his big Birther Summit that promises to bring in tens of people. he might even eclipse Carl Swennson's great Pitchfork Rally in Atlanta that drew a dozen. Dean's $15,000 Challenge to Colin Powell to come sit through 3 hours of crazy has gone two weeks with no answer so Dean is now inviting Bill O'Reilly, Anderson Cooper, George Stephanopoulos, and Chris Matthews to be wowed by their "evidence" for pay. (Well, not really because Dean and his buds will determine if they did a super job).

Meanwhile, in the real world, it appears that our President has scored another significant success as the government of Muammar Gaddafi is falling as I write.

Orly's latest carnival side show and why it will fail

You would would think after a two and a half year year unbroken string of complete and utter failures in the courts that even the most insane of Birthers would be a little skeptical about Orly Taitz latest stupid lawyer trick. But alas no. They are falling for it again. Birther blogs like Birther Reports and Dr. (k)Hate's are frothing at the mouth over the "court ordered" subpoena that Orly mailed to Hawaiian Director of Health Loretta Fuddy to perform an examination of the "original long form birth certificate". The subpoena was issued in the Taitz v Astrue FOIA case in Washington, DC District Court. Here is how Orly explained her latest bit of legal brilliance:

I served the director of Health with 2 subpoenas. [Actually, it is 3 subpoenas, but who is counting?]

There are two ways to issue subpoenas: first -generated by an attorney and second-generated by the court. Even if the case is in DC, the subpoena will come from the district court in HI, sine the director of Health is in their jurisdiction.

after I served the director of Health, Loretta Fuddy with the the first subpoena, the attorney General of HI responded on her behalf, stating that she will not comply due to the considerations of privacy (totally bogus argument, since Obama already released the document, so he cannot claim privacy as a legitimate issue).

I served them with a second subpoena, this time it is signed by the clerk of the court. Meanwhile I am filing a motion to compel with the judge, saying that they are refusing to comply with the first one and I want a court order. If meanwhile they comply with the second subpoena, I will withdraw the motion.

I have multiple opportunities and multiple ways to get there. I’d like to keep my cards close to my chest, so I will not explain further. All I can say, that If the judge does not rule in my favor in the case at hand, I will continue on multiple fronts and at the end of the day a number of people will be sitting in prison. Several highly positioned individuals will be in hot water. ObamaFraudGate and ObamaforgeryGate is 100 times bigger, than Watergate. It will not go away, it will only grow bigger and it will swallow more and more officials.  Democrat party will end up completely annihilated, if it lasts much longer. also, there is a backlash against sitting republican congressmen and senators. My feeling is,  that during the next election sitting congressmen from both parties will end up being sent home: Republicans will be sent home during the primary, Democrats -during the general election.

Deputy Attorney General for Hawaii, Jill T. Nagamine, sent a letter to Taitz in response to her first subpoena that Orly had signed and explained why there was no way they would comply with the stupid request. She quoted the pertinent sections of Hawaiian law 338-18 that lists who is entitled to get a copy of another persons birth records and Orly is not on the list. Orly believes that since the President released a copy of his LFBC on April 27 that it somehow magically changes the law.

A commenter named "pro graphics" on Birther Reports was so excited that he is offering Orly advice on choosing the "experts" that she will take to examine the original records come August 8:

 RECAP:


1. Gather like-dated documents (Maybe the Nordykes will provide one - that would be ideal)


2. Start following leads for experts. A primer for the right approach can be found in this FAQ from applied forensics


http://www.appliedforensics.com/faq.html


Check their public record of campaign contributions - you don't want to accidentally wind up with a mole.


3. ASAP - Get 3 of these people. This could run into real money. Start getting the money together for this right now, and identify the people you want with consultation - investigate their background for campaign contributions - but pay no one yet because we do not know if the subpoena will be honored. If and when it is, DOH is likely to force Orly to rush through the process with only a few days warning - they will try to schedule this on their terms that favor Obama - so Orly must have all her ducks in a row ASAP and be ready to jump.


If anyone blows this opportunity - if the document is made available - we'll be in "conspiracy theory" land forever. The only other thing we can do day-to-day for sure, IMO, is continue doing what has been successfully started: get the word out. Stamping, flyers and the rest. Public pressure will do for us what the subpoena situation will not if it should fail. And people need to have the foundation established for them right away - OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS FAKE - so they immediately understand what Orly says when she releases the result.


Someone close and trusted by Orly may want to forward this to her. Might help. You never know.

So how did Orly obtain the most recent subpoena signed by a clerk from the federal court in Hawaii? A quick check of FRCP Rule 45(a)(3) states that any attorney may obtain a a signed blank subpoena from the clerk of a federal court.  This is what Orly did. (Orly stopped reading there unfortunately.) For many reasons including, but not limited to the reasons Deputy AG Nagamine gave in her previous letter to Orly, this inspection of the records will never take place. There is one glaring error in Orly's latest motion to compel that even this humble writer who does not have a legal degree, mail order or otherwise, was able to spot. I am not going to reveal it though. We have given Orly just the right amount of help that she is hopefully going to get exactly what she deserves from Judge Lamberth. It will probably not be what she expects.