Thursday, December 1, 2011

A Conversation with Paul Irey

Paul Irey

I called Paul Irey last week to invite him to appear on Reality Check Radio to debate  John Woodman on the authenticity of the Obama long from birth certificate. Irey has declared it to be a forgery beyond doubt. Mr. Irey’s claims are based on differences in typefaces and other anomalies among various letters in the document. In his book, Is Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?: A Computer Guy Examines The Evidence For Forgery, John Woodman devoted an entire chapter to Mr. Irey’s claims and found them to be easily refuted. John Woodman has publicly challenged Paul Irey to debate him but Mr. Irey has refused. I thought I would offer a fair forum to them where a full two hours could be devoted to a debate but unfortunately Mr. Irey still refuses. Mr. Irey was kind enough to be a guest on my show earlier this year and I had hoped he would consider a return for what could be an interesting evening.

Mr. Irey and I touched on a number of topics and the conversation while civil did become heated at times. Irey concedes that John Woodman has found some major flaws in his original analysis. Namely, Woodman demonstrated that many of the letters that Irey chose to blow up for comparison are from a vertical section of the document where it appears that the copier or scanner caused a distortion. Irey concedes that Woodman is correct. Irey also said that he has sent an email to Orly Taitz, Jerome Corsi, Doug Vogt, and others advising them of the problems with his analysis and asking them not to use it. I was startled to hear this and told Mr. Irey I had never seen a single retraction printed anywhere. I told him that this hasn’t stopped Taitz from including it with her motions in several court cases and in her challenge presented to the Ballot Law Commission in New Hampshire last month. Irey offered two explanations why he was not that concerned to have his flawed analysis submitted as evidence. First he says he is still sure the birth certificate is forged because a source he will not name from the Secret Service told him in 2008 that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Second, he is working on a new analysis that will be published soon (one would assume in World Net Daily) that will be “irrefutable”.  He also said it didn’t matter because no judge had read them anyway. I suspect Irey is correct that no judge has ever really read his gobbledygook but no real expert would dare let work that he would not endorse be filed in any court.

I asked Mr. Irey if he was concerned that two administrations in Hawaii had vouched for the validity of both the 2008 COLB and the 2011 long form birth certificate and that Dr. Fukino, Loretta Fuddy, and Alvin Onaka had all staked their professional reputations on those documents. Irey replied that “Fuddy and Onaka would both be going to jail” for their complicity in the forgery. I told him that I would bet him $500 that neither of them would go to jail by a date one year from our conversation. Irey would not take the bet. (My offer still stands by the way.)

I then asked Irey how he could explain other additional evidence of that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. These included the contemporary newspaper accounts, recollections by Obama’s teacher Barbara Nelson, and the passport records for Ann Dunham that showed that an official from the state department had investigated the Obama child’s place of birth. Irey was familiar with these but dismissed them all. He said Barbara Nelson was lying and that the newspaper announcements were the result of Obama’s grandmother filing for a birth certificate after the Obamas returned from Kenya. Irey said he remembered reading that there was a Hawaii law that allowed one to get a birth certificate that said the birth place was Hawaii even though the birth occurred elsewhere. He could not quote the statute. He said that was done for a Chinese communist but he could not remember the name. I am sure Irey was referring to the birth certificate issued by the Territory of Hawaii in 1904 for Sun Yat-sen.  Dr. Conspiracy and others have written about this fraudulent birth certificate oft cited by Birthers as proof that anyone can get birth certificate in Hawaii with merely a signature of a relative. No other certificate other than this one from 1904 has ever been produced although Orly Taitz and others have maintained it is easy to obtain a birth certificate that shows a Hawaiian birth with a mere signature of a relative.

Irey also buys into Larry Sinclair’s cockamamie stories. I will not delve into the details but let’s just say Irey is very familiar with all the details and believes Obama is bisexual and met male lovers at Rev. Wright’s church.  He had several of them killed according to Irey. He buys into other conspiracy theories too: Did you know that all the major news outlets have their news stories verified daily by the government? Mr. Irey says that this began in 1947 under the Truman administration and continues to this day. 

Paul Irey’s hobby of delving into conspiracy theories goes back a long way. If you talk to him for very long he will always get around to the Kennedy assassination. He believes the fatal shot was fired from a sewer in front of the limousine and that the famous autopsy photo showing little damage to Kennedy’s face cannot be reconciled with the Zapruder film. He believes the driver of the limousine slowed the vehicle intentionally at the right moment to allow the unknown assassin to take the fatal shot. I did not want to engage him on the Kennedy assassination details. We recently passed the 48 year anniversary of the assassination and I have seen every conspiracy on the assignation debunked to at least my satisfaction. I see no point at spending time on it. 

I am convinced that Paul Irey is sincere in his beliefs.  He might even be a pleasant guy to meet but he lives in a different world than most of us. He trusts no one and wakes up every day sure that unknown sinister forces are controlling every aspect of government and the media. Like most conspiracy theorists he always invokes the shadowy “they” to toss out mountains of evidence for which he has no explanation.  For that I pity him. However, that in no way excuses the fact that he has allowed his so-called “evidence” that he knows is flawed to be used by charlatans like Orly Taitz and Jerome Corsi to convince their gullible followers and readers that the President is a liar.

14 comments:

  1. A most interesting post!

    The bottom line is that Mr. Irey, so certain in his beliefs, refuses to debate or discuss this with Mr. Woodman, who clearly knows what he is doing. That says it all.

    I almost wish that some body, say the Georgia Elections Board, would allow Mr Irey to take the stand. He would wet his pants on the voir dire.

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  2. Mr. Irey is certain of his new beliefs. He was certain of his old beliefs until John Woodman poked holes in them.

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  3. Irey will make a great witness. Not for birthers, perhaps, but for the health care advocates who want to bring mental health issues out in the open so as to lobby for affordable treatment for those in need.

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  4. Have you suggested to Mr. Irey that he give Mr. Woodman a chance to examine the new analysis and that they then debate those issues?

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  5. This recent exchange between Irey and ORYR is interesting,

    "Anonymous said...[Reply]
    Any mention of the Larry Sinclair news conference without adding that he was arrested at that news conference in front of 100 reporters ... in order to prevent his presentation ... but his lawyer persuaded the detectives to wait until his speech was finished ... and then taken to Delaware on false charges with a warrant from Beau Biden ... the attorney general of Delaware at the time ... whose father Joe Biden became the VP nominee for the Democratic Party two days later ... is perhaps unintentionally covering up the biggest scandal of 2008.

    In other words ... the appearance of a political favor for Obama from Joe Biden's son could have cinched the nomination for Biden senior ... and if the press ignores that obvious connection ... we have what amounts to media treason during an election year ... do we not?

    Of course this is still unknown to the American people. Also critically important and un-told to this day ... is the fact that not one of those 100 reporters ... except the foreign press ... got a single word out to the public about anything that happened that night at the Washington Press Club 2 blocks from the White House ... because of the complete control of the media by the federal government itself Had it only been bias ... a few stories about the Biden scandal at least ... should have been presented in the media but they absolutely were not.

    It's time for America to know that their democracy is dead. Will you please inform them of this simple fact ... that is a big part of that Larry Sinclair news conference that was not included in your information.

    I avoid posting my e-mail ... but don't really want to be anonymous with this statement ... that includes that I am fully informed that the fed requires all editors to wire in contentious stories like this to D.C. for approval. Does the Birther Report also confirm to this rule ... and was forced to ignore what I have just mentioned?

    I am Paul Irey

    November 5, 2011 12:03 PM

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    (Does the Birther Report also confirm to this rule)

    Are you serious? This is a blog site run by private citizens. We are not required to send the 'fed' anything for approval nor would we do such a thing.

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    (... and was forced to ignore what I have just mentioned?)

    How would we know especially in light of your following statement, "not one of those 100 reporters ... except the foreign press ... got a single word out to the public about anything that happened that night at the Washington Press Club 2 blocks from the White House ..." ?

    I saw the same comment from you posted at Cdr Kerchner's blog and notice you didn't pose that question to him. Why?

    November 5, 2011 9:03 PM

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    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/rush-limbaugh-larry-sinclair-barack.html

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  6. I did not suggest that specifically but I certainly make that offer. Mr. Irey asked me to convey a request to John Woodman that he comment on his new analysis when it is published. I passed along that request.

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  7. In the comments section of an ORYR article on Larry Sinclair (November 4th, 2011), a poster who identified himself as Paul Irey asked the following,

    "I avoid posting my e-mail ... but don't really want to be anonymous with this statement ... that includes that I am fully informed that the fed requires all editors to wire in contentious stories like this to D.C. for approval. Does the Birther Report also confirm to this rule ... and was forced to ignore what I have just mentioned?

    I am Paul Irey"

    The moderator was not amused,

    "(Does the Birther Report also confirm to this rule)

    Are you serious? This is a blog site run by private citizens. We are not required to send the 'fed' anything for approval nor would we do such a thing. "

    I wonder if Mr. Irey's Secret Service contact told him that blogs have to report to the "fed".

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  8. Irey repeated many of his claims in an email to John Woodman where he refused to debate Woodman on the Mark Gillar Blog Talk radio program. Yes, he believes most news stories are pre-approved by the government. If that is so President Obama should immediately fire the vetters who have missed the crap that gets through daily on Fox News!

    I will agree with Irey on one point. Radio is not a great medium for a debate on fonts. There are ways to deal with that however. One way is for both sides to provide exhibits to be posted on a blog that they can refer during the debate. I offered to do that when I extended the debate challenge to Paul Irey and John Woodman.

    I would also note that it has been over three weeks since Irey said his new analysis would be published on WND and there has been nothing to date. I would have thought that Corsi would have tied this blockbuster analysis with the release of the eBook version of his book that flopped.

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  9. I work for the TDPS and we wouldn't accept the birth certificate as presented for a drivers license. The signature line looks altered. The micro print is not uniform (tampered with). The letters used on the bc are not matching (meaning different type set). We would demand a legal LONG form notarized due to the way his bc looks.
    Also, the one person that can vouche for it, is a nurse. You mean to tell me that she remembers a baby born 49 years ago after more than 50 years of delivering babies? PLEASE! I worked in a clinic setting for 6 years and I was lucky to recall the names today, of a child I assited with 15 years ago! You sheep-le will believe anything.remember

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  10. @ Triggerhappy1

    I assume that TDPS means Texas Department of Public Service.

    OK you say you would not accept the birth certificate for application for a drivers license. Well here is how it would play out: If someone from Hawaii were to present either the short form or the long from and it was embossed with the seal from the State of Hawaii (as are both of Obama's) and a clerk refused it with stupid Ireyisms as you presented then a supervisor would be called and that would be the end of it.

    Mrs. Nelson was not a nurse she was a schoolteacher and was personal friends with Dr. Rodney West who was the head of obstetrics at Kapiolani and also knew Stanley Ann. She remembered Stanley had a baby with a "musical name". That is not the same as remembering a random baby after 50 years. She later had the young Obama as a student.

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  11. I've been a newspaperman for over 30 years, and the very notion that an editor of ANY news agency would be required to get preapproval of a controversial article from the government is enough to make me grateful I did not have a mouthful of beer when I read that in "Irey's" letter, because beer would have been shooting out of my nose. Has Irey ever heard of the First Amendment?

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  12. Thanks for an awesome update, RCR! Irrefutable analysis "anyday now"? Another classic conspiracist promise .... I can't wait for it to be fulfilled!

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  13. The Zapruder film does indeed show an exit wound but the autopsy photo of JFK does not. Didn't anyone notice that? Or am I a conspiracy nut also? I think Mr. Irey's point is that here is the reason he does not trust the government or the media, so why must we trust the government and the media when it comes to Obama's birth certificate?

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  14. Further to this:

    "Mrs. Nelson was not a nurse she was a schoolteacher and was personal friends with Dr. Rodney West who was the head of obstetrics at Kapiolani and also knew Stanley Ann. She remembered Stanley had a baby with a "musical name". That is not the same as remembering a random baby after 50 years. She later had the young Obama as a student. "

    All that is true, and in addition she remembers that she wrote home about the baby. She wrote home to her father, whose first name was Stanley, about the unusual event of a child being born to a woman named Stanley that day.

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